>> well, there you go. this is the kind of thing that will drive hagel, and i don't know the guy, i met him a few times, crazy. somebody will say to him in the middle of a hearing, i hear you're always on the defensive. you have a defensive personality. then you defend yourself, and you're being defensive. i hear you have a bad temper. what do you mean i have a bad temper? this is getting rough because all politicians have bad tempers. >> i think in a hearing when people are looking -- >> not all. >> it's a low bar, it's not that hard to maintain -- >> what do you do when a guy says i hear you yell at people in the office? >> maybe you say, look, i'm tough and demanding of my employees, but i expect results, and if somebody's ego is bruised, i apologize, but this is a big boy business. i think i would make the point, maybe he won't, that maybe, what do you think, 95, 98, 100 members of the u.s. senate have a similar rap. >> they don't have a nuclear button. >> that's right but, look, but hagel is not going to be freelancing starting wars. i don't think anyone is worried about that anyway.